Ah yes, nothing much has changed in the 3 days I was buried in text books. Apparently, the Ambassador Bridge Company released it’s latest arsenal in this alleged war we are having with them. Heck, Ron Jones even has the war lingo down when he described the company’s extraneous efforts to mislead the public regarding their project as “subterfuge.” In case anyone was wondering, as was I, subterfuge is defined as a recognised skill in a situation of war to take advantage of an opponent.
I cannot believe the audacity of the bridge company in demonstrating to the public how little the replacement project will impact the city, over and above the demonstrated impact today. Oh, and while we’re on the topic of subterfuge, perhaps Councillor Jones could explain exactly what the City of Windsor’s position on an access road to the Ambassador Bridge is – I’ll give you a big hint – it’s in a report entitled, “WALTS”. Instead of “watching” the bridge company, I would suggest some light reading.
Regardless of whether or not the bridge company proceeds with the replacement project – as Councillor Dilkens pointed out, we still need to address the issues surrounding Huron Church Road, or would Ron Jones rather not discuss this issue?
And speaking of subterfuge, our dear MP Brian Masse, is at it again today when he warned that a public-private partnership will result in higher tolls at the proposed new crossing – well he’s right on that account. However, one silly little question I have for our MP – what toll rate would Masse recommend for a totally publically owned crossing?
I’ve been doing some basic math (geez, there I go thinking again). Let’s use some basic assumptions that being that 10,000 trucks a day cross the bridge both ways. Based upon the Ambassador Bridge’s number, 9.25 million vehicles crossed the bridge in 2006, which equates to approximately 24,000 vehicles a day. So, 14,000 automobiles and 10,000 trucks cross the bridge on average per day.
Now, a round trip automobile toll for the Ambassador Bridge would be about $8.00, or about $112,000 per day or $40.8 million a year. For trucks, I would be guessing a round trip cost would be approximately $40 in tolls or $400,000 a day or $146 million a year for a grand total of about $186 million in total toll revenue. Now I’ve heard several different numbers as to the profit of the Ambassador Bridge, so I’m going estimate $50 million which would equal approximately, $130 million in annual costs to operate the bridge.
So, let’s assume the 3rd crossing gets built with these numbers in mind. Let’s even further assume (though not at all likely) that the bridge company would agree to a 50/50 split in traffic. We’ve been told that the cost of the new plaza and bridge could amount to over $2 billion, I’m thinking higher, but let’s go with that number. So, using the above numbers, to maintain tolls at the above rates in today’s dollars would take about 80 years to break-even on a new publically funded bridge. And this does not include the cost of operating it! This also assumes that wage increases do not exceed the inflation rate and barring any major structural repairs during those 80 years and interest rates (you know the cost of borrowing $2-billion is not cheap) remain stable, and that traffic volumes do not continue to decline. We could be talking over 100 years to see profitability.
Well, this is not acceptable in my opinion, and for a public-private partnership to be successful, I’m thinking a private company would want to realise a real return quite quickly. In order for this to happen, let’s say 20 years, tolls would have to increase by 400%, to about $16 for automobiles and $80 for trucks, roundtrip. Even if traffic increased at a rate of 1% a year, tolls would have to be higher to see a return.
For a publically funded bridge, I’m guessing Brian Masse is suggesting that taxpayers subsidize further the cost ($10’s of millions of dollars) of keeping tolls competitive with the tunnel and the Ambassador Bridge, which takes vital tax dollars away from say, economic development, health care, home care, day care, or a national pharma program.
Now my numbers may be off (I didn’t calculate rising traffic volumes of say even 1% a year) but I think you get my point. Wise use of tax dollars would suggest that a public-private partnership would not work in this case, unless of course, we’re talking subsidies to a private company (eh hem…NAFTA challenge anyone?), and a publically funded third crossing would mean taxpayers forking over serious cash on an annual basis that could be better used to reduce income taxes, reduce our national debt or invest in research and development or higher education.
The fiscally and socially responsible alternative is so frustratingly simple: negotiate, and negotiate hard with the Ambassador Bridge Company.
Subterfuge – good word! Thanks Ron Jones.
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“The fiscally and socially responsible alternative is so frustratingly simple: negotiate, and negotiate hard with the Ambassador Bridge Company.”
This is so true and makes so much sense it will be rejected out of hand by all politicians and civil servants.
It would seem that the Bridge has a number of enemies in government, on both sides of the border and at all levels. It can’t be an accident and I would think a lot of the blame for the animosity has to lie at the feet of Maroun, Stamper, McMahon and cohorts.
But am I off base in thinking the answer is fairly obvious? Starve the Bridge? Once upon a time there was talk of expanding the truck ferry operations, constructing a double stack rail tunnel, enacting province-wide truck traffic reduction strategies…. all of these initiatives are “green”, would result in fewer trucks needing to cross the border through a private individual controlled bridge. Why isn’t the goal to reduce the number of trucks overall and reduce the coin in his pocket?
Maybe the collapse of manufacturing in Ontario and Michigan is doing that anyways… ah – what a brilliant strategy on the parts of McGuinty and Granholm!
“But am I off base in thinking the answer is fairly obvious? Starve the Bridge?”
Bingo. The point being further, can we as a city afford that?
I don’t understand. This is not FOR the city to afford or not afford, this is, regardless of how Mayor Francis would like to believe otherwise, not a city issue. This is more properly a federal issue and the question that has to have some resolution is this – do you allow a crucial infrastructure link with your largest trading partner to be in the portfolio, never mind simple control of, a private, for-profit business enterprise? There are arguments to be made on both sides of the issue. But if the Twinning goes ahead, at the exclusion of other options, you will have cemented Matty Maroun’s control of the link for the next 75 years. Unless you start swinging Mjolnir at his head, Bill C-3.
I think the federal government’s lack of a clear policy on this matter has lent itself to the angst about the twinning. The twinning looks to be the best option for a solution, but letting Maroun control it for the next 3 generations is not palatable to most people.
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Well, that’s it exactly. Moroun will defend his interests – which could theoretically shut down any border development, and thus hurt Windsor further. I don’t have particular problem with private ownership of the bridge given Bill C-3.
So what’s the problem – that he makes money? Non-issue to me. He bought the bridge, when the Fed’s had the opportunity, and they did not, now we are supposed to “punish” him for a lawful business transaction and business upgrades by denying him the opportunity to improve the border?
It is ironic that people have a problem with a private business doing business, but don’t blink an eye when government intrudes and controls every aspect of their life.
The simple solution really, is if you want control of the bridge, buy it. Outright and simple.
Would Maroun ask a fair price? (I don’t think so.) The prices Arditti throws around in past blogs (and, according to the Star, he is a Bridge employee =0 ) are ridiculously overvalued.
What would a fair price be? It is a profitable venture? What would you recommend? I mean, $50 million a year profit, plus all the work done to maintain to preserve value and operation, what would a fair price be? Who determines that? Over how long would be considered fair? $50 million a year for every year owned, plus lifespan of the facility, plus all investments made into the infrastructure? We’re talking billions I would presume.
Of course the initial asking price would be “ridiculously overvalued,” that is standard practise – when my folks sold their home they asked 1 and one half times the value to get the price they really wanted.
The bigger question, what determines the “value” of this type of business? And quite frankly what determines, “fair” in the market economy?
What are the facts? Can we reach consensus on the facts and furthermore can we reach a deal objectively based on fact?
Personally, the issue of his ownership is irrelevant. It was purchased lawfully; and the company has operated efficiently and effectively, and now the company’s operations have public oversight. Ideally, an international border crossing should be state owned, however that is not the reality, and I prefer to work in “reality” as opposed to how things should’ve been or ought to be.
Chris: A private company would not be seeking a 20 year return on a project of this magnitude. The province leased the 407 to a private operator for 99 years. Strait Crossing Bridge Limited will own and operate the Confederation Bridge for a minimum of 33 years. So, yes, your numbers are off.
The NAFTA challenge is a red herring – I’m sure that Canada could always raise a number of US federal, state and local policies and subsidies at NAFTA, so in reality, it’s a moot point. Besides isn’t the gateway project on the American side of the Ambassador Bridge a type of subsidy? When a developer wants to build a commercial development, he typically pays for improvements to surrounding infrastructure – shouldn’t the Ambassador Bridge, a private entity, be chipping in their fair share for these improvements?
Thanks Mr. Clement. But your point illustrates further my overall point. Does one honestly believe the ABC would roll over, without a fight, a public-private partnership for another bridge that will compete directly with it? It’s the fight I’m concerned about and would it could potentially do to the region.
Now, where I would agree with you is cost-sharing (with taxes paid factored in), but in order for that to happen, someone has to MEET with them, which if you’ve read my blogs regarding ABC, I don’t agree with everything; I despise the “war” spin; and have demonstrated the failure of our elected officials to put all rhetoric aside and negotiate.
Are the infrastructure improvements made a subsidy? That would be an interesting court case wouldn’t it? Because then ALL similar projects would be in trouble I would think if it was found to be so.
Is NAFTA a red herring? (from http://www.dfait-maeci.gc.ca/nafta-alena/chap11-en.asp?#article_1105)
Article 1102: National Treatment
1. Each Party shall accord to investors of another Party treatment no less favorable than that it accords, in like circumstances, to its own investors with respect to the establishment, acquisition, expansion, management, conduct, operation, and sale or other disposition of investments.
2. Each Party shall accord to investments of investors of another Party treatment no less favorable than that it accords, in like circumstances, to investments of its own investors with respect to the establishment, acquisition, expansion, management, conduct, operation, and sale or other disposition of investments.
3. The treatment accorded by a Party under paragraphs 1 and 2 means, with respect to a state or province, treatment no less favorable than the most favorable treatment accorded, in like circumstances, by that state or province to investors, and to investments of investors, of the Party of which it forms a part.
AND this:
Article 1103: Most-Favored-Nation Treatment
1. Each Party shall accord to investors of another Party treatment no less favorable than that it accords, in like circumstances, to investors of any other Party or of a non-Party with respect to the establishment, acquisition, expansion, management, conduct, operation, and sale or other disposition of investments.
2. Each Party shall accord to investments of investors of another Party treatment no less favorable than that it accords, in like circumstances, to investments of investors of any other Party or of a nonParty with respect to the establishment, acquisition, expansion, management, conduct, operation, and sale or other disposition of investments.
Article 1104: Standard of Treatment
Each Party shall accord to investors of another Party and to investments of investors of another Party the better of the treatment required by Articles 1102 and 1103.