Francis in 2002: Extend Lauzon Road
Mayor Eddie Francis states that the city has been “fighting” every step of the way since 2002 for the “right” solution to the border. (Continued below clip).
You know I get curious whenever statements such as that are made. I also get particularly curious when a Mayor lectures council colleagues on past voting records.
Back on October 8, 2002, the Windsor Star reported that city council had endorsed a plan to direct $300 million in border infrastructure funds to upgrades to the E.C. Row Expressway, to extend Lauzon Parkway and improve the Walker Road corridor:
Whatever border solution the federal and provincial governments decide to spend the $300-million funding on..
…Council endorsed the use of the money to upgrade E. C. Row Expressway, extend Lauzon Parkway and improve the Walker Road corridor as outlined in the Windsor Area Long Range Transportation Study.
The motion to do so was introduced by councillor Eddie Francis on October 7, 2002:

So to clarify, Councillor Eddie Francis, long before Greenlink and long before any talk of an access road, moved that border infrastructure funding be directed, as a short and medium term improvement, to upgrade E.C. Row Expressway and the Lauzon Parkway extension to 401 and was supported by a majority of council.
But on March 4, 2003, council passed a resolution (no recorded vote was taken) that permitted only trucks “commencing” or “terminating” their journey in Windsor to use E.C. Row in response the DRTP proposal.
Interestingly, council also passed a resolution, CR128-2003, that stated:
That City Council endorse upgrades and improvements of #3 Highway/Huron Church from the 401 to the entrance of the Ambassador Bridge…
So, I am a little baffled as to the Mayor’s new position of not permitting the Lauzon Parkway and Manning Road extension to the 401 before the access road is completed as well as offering no solutions to improve access to the entrance of the Ambassdor Bridge.
In 2002 there was no Schwartz Report I; no Greenlink but there was a council wish to both upgrade and improve Huron Church Road to the foot of the bridge and extend Lauzon Parkway to the 401 using the Border Infrastructure Funds – and what improvements exactly were done?
Furthermore, all items were consistent with the Windsor Area Long Term Transportation Study.
So, how can the Mayor today be opposed to extending Manning Road and the Lauzon Parkway to the 401 before the access road is completed when he did support extending the Lauzon Parkway in 2002?
What is the “right” solution? We have these resolutions in 2002 and 2003. We have Sam Schwartz’s $1-billion dollar solution in 2005 and then we have Greenlink in 2007.
And the Mayor has the audacity to claim it is senior levels of government stalling the border file?
No wonder senior levels of government are frustrated with our mayor and council.
Shhh! Legal strategy is a secret – or is it?
Sorry Roseanne Denise, a portion your blog headline from last year was just too good to pass over.
On July 7, 2005, the Windsor Star ran a story regarding our very own David Estrin, “Lawyer blamed for border delays.”
Dave Wake, of the Ontario Transportation Ministry, said opposition to a Niagara-area toll road — led by lawyer David Estrin — helped create more stringent environmental assessment policies in Ontario which could add years to the binational border study process.
Estrin has been hired by the City of Windsor for more than $1 million to guide council through the border-crossing selection process.
The environmental specialist, acting on behalf of the City of Burlington and Region of Halton, sought a judicial review in June 2003 which helped derail a proposed $1.2-billion toll highway stretching 130 kilometres across the Niagara Peninsula from Fort Erie to the Greater Toronto area.
Wake said partly because of that challenge, the binational study group made up of Canadian and U.S. government agencies decided not to narrow its wide list of alternatives during the project’s “terms of reference” phase.
The group, known as the Detroit River International Crossing (DRIC) project, carried every possible option into the current environmental assessment phase, which is not expected to end until late 2007, said Wake.
Estrin’s reasoning?
Estrin argued two years ago the Ministry of Transportation’s terms of reference for the Niagara project were illegal because they did not consider use of other transportation modes and failed to adequately review the proposed roadway’s environmental impact.
Estrin also argued that the terms of reference ignored input from councils and residents who opposed the project.
On Monday night, Councillor Lewenza Jr., asked if provincial ministers had input into the Terms of Reference of the DRIC or communicated with DRIC officials to address quality of life issues – you know – those same issues the city had input into in the above blog in 2002. (See clip below).
It was Councillor Lewenza Jr’s. comment on the Terms of Reference that caught my attention. (On a side-note, Councillor Lewenza – did our ministers have “communications” with the Ministry of Housing and Municipal Affairs regarding the audit of the Windsor Utilities Commission?)
Now I fully understand why Mayor Francis is stating that the city hasn’t been consulted on the Ambassador Bridge enhancement project’s environmental assessment. I also fully understand now why the mayor is demanding the province conduct an environmental assessment of Huron Church Road.
Couple this with David Estrin’s comments in the Detroit Free Press, and we can clearly see where the legal strategy could be heading:
Windsor has hired Toronto attorney David Estrin, an expert in environmental law, who said litigation will delay Moroun’s project for many years.
“The clearest thing one can say is that even if he got all his approvals on the American side as quickly as he thinks he might, that would only get him half a bridge,” Estrin said.
Now in reference to Councillor Lewenza’s question, it is my understanding of the Canadian Environmental Assessment Act guidelines, which co-ordinate federal and provincial efforts in conducting projects overseen by both governments that MPs, MPPs, as well as municipalities are consulted in the process.
But back to the legal strategy.
All this talk of being left out of the process; being ignored; requests for additional environmental assessments; and whether or not MPPs had input into the draft terms of reference are designed, it seems, to replay the Niagara toll-road scenario in an attempt to force the province and the federal government to capitulate to the city’s demands.
Afterall, with the expensive advertising campaigns and “scientific” polls via 311, residents have demanded it.
When it comes to the Ambassador Bridge, Estrin laid out clearly the plan - the city intends to litigate the project out of existence.
So while our Mayor is talking the talk of the benefits of infrastructure projects on the economy with the upper crust of political society in national news, here at home he is devising a plan that gambles on Windsor’s future that could embroil the city in an expensive and prolonged legal battle.
To accomplish what? To fight DRIC’s proposal which is nearly identical to what Schwartz 2005 offered as acceptable.
All the while fighting something Mayor Francis’ motions and plans of the past, supported.
“Probably not you, your Worship”
Or was it, “Probably not you, but the clerk? Either way it is an interesting comment.
In asking whether a letter requesting a meeting with area MPPs should come from the Mayor’s Office or the Clerk’s Office, Councillor Gignac said something as Councillor Dilkens began speaking (See clip below).
She had asked that the letter come from the office whereby the most positive response could be expected. I’ve slowed down the audio track, and am 99% certain she stated, “Probably not you, your worship” or the above.
If this is truly what she said, I wonder what ever she meant by it? Was it in jest or was there a deeper meaning to it?
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I don’t know what kind of advice the mayor gets on these matters, but if he is successful in arguing that the Terms of Reference are invalid, does he realize that means sending the whole process back to square one i.e. 5 years back in time? Is he that determined to see this border fiasco stretched out another half-a-decade?
It’s all posturing and the rhetoric is getting more desperate from the City.
Six years and nothing but delays from King Francis.
Six years and all we have to show so far is a pedestrian crossing over Huron Church, an extended left turn lane into Ambassador Industrial Park for trucks that want to be pre-cleared, and cameras on Huron Church to monitor traffic. Wow.
Meanwhile, the Bridge company added more booths for truck traffic on both sides of the border and in conjunction with the State of Michigan and spending over a $1 billion to revamp the US plaza with more toll booths and customs booths and direct connections to I-75. How boring.
The EAs for EC Row, Lauzon Parkway and Walker Road would have been done and the improvements could have been well underway by now. Interim improvements to help all residents in Windsor and surrounding area. We could have worked with the County and neighbouring municipalities to time their road projects with the interim border improvements. A win-win for everyone.
But how do you tell a German company, well, we want you to invest in Windsor, but you may not be able to efficiently use your warehouse hub because road access is poor? Good roads connecting to good highways makes it easier to attract new businesses. Unfortunately, that describes London, Woodstock, Guelph, and Brantford, not Windsor.
I would like to nominate the Mayor Eddie Francis and all of city council now and in the near past for the World Back Peddling Speed award..will anyone second that motion?
“Cry foul and unleash the toothless dogs of war!” Is the city crying foul that they had no input or were asked to supply comments on the Terms of Reference concerning DRIC!
Geesh! It’s seems to be okay that the city can cry foul over this but don’t let the citizens be consulted on or for the Terms of Reference on the WUC audit. Give me a break!
I am really at odds to wonder how much farther ahead we WOULD have been if under COUNCILLOR Francis actions all the road work needed was done then. I am just quietly walking away with my head hanging in shame at the situation now…..NOT!
Just more bullying and fudging of the rules by a mayor and city council that is out of control. Open your mouth to what they are doing and Francis will stick a lawyer in it!
Time to storm the Bastille!
LIke I said before, Francis finished law school but doesn’t know the law or he wouldn’t be using an outside firm.
He got a certificate to practice law. That is what he is doing at taxpayer’s expense, practising.
The flip flop on EC Row and Lauzon Parkway is no surprise.
At this point does any one really think Eddie can get anything done?
Job losses are mounting daily. It’s not his fault, but leadership into other venues is. What a lot of wasted time. I have never seen a licensed legal barrister act in this manner. Hmm…..
Even Burger King can’t get an access road to thier place.
Why would a business in thier right mind put up a sign in Windsor?
It’s simple… the mayor changed his mind…
ABC’s border plan is more than 12 years old. It’s out dated. It won’t work properly.
changes with the times are necessary. the mayor sees this and has changed his mind with the times…
BRAVO…
“When it comes to the Ambassador Bridge, Estrin laid out clearly the plan – the city intends to litigate the project out of existence.”
well it didn’t have to be like that… the Ambassador Bridge Company has pushed to many people around with no compromise in site.
They have completely and utterly ignored our Air quality standards.
We didn’t think their blockbusting antics for the last 10 years was very funny either.
ABC’s poorly handled, misjudged, outdated fight isn’t with the government… it’s with the people. and the mayor is leading the way…
looks like jones and postma have brainwashed him, Chris
I read his coments on here all the time. Inconsistent, conspiracy theories, whining.
Ignore him.
But I will send him my property tax bill which will only go up because of all these lawsuits.
Just want to make sure i get it – he chose to live next to bridge, didn’t he?
Hi, I’ve been living on Indian Rd. 60 meters from this bridge(which is, again queing Canada bound as I write this) on and off since 1967.
inconsistant? Oh Well, I just call it as I see it from day to day.
Don’t send me your property taxes, I can’t pay mine.
The fact is I prolly will file chapter 7 soon.
no choice.
the current condition of the neighborhood has lead to significant reduction in property values, combined with increased taxes and utilities, throw in a severly hammered employment position and voila, chapter 7…
It’s no secret, all I wanted was to break even and go. It wasn’t to be when the possiblity existed. and significant increases in a break even scenario in the last couple years hasn’t helped.
There’s been 100’s before me. and more to come.
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The EAs for EC Row, Lauzon Parkway and Walker Road would have been done and the improvements could have been well underway by now. Interim improvements to help all residents in Windsor and surrounding area. We could have worked with the County and neighbouring municipalities to time their road projects with the interim border improvements. A win-win for everyone.
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the way I see it now Vincent is… if the DRIC adopts Greenlink or better and puts a shovel in the ground. On that day you will have won because that’s the day “ALL” the projects you want attended can proceed… And that includes the rail tunnel and additional airport infrastructure. Windsor is about to be revamped, big time… There will be construction everywhere… There needs to be a certain order of construction in order to guarantee the results are as planned. Greenlink is the best plan so far for the entire city, It’s a well thought out and puts the plaza and crossing far west out of site where it belongs. We must get this done quickly so the construction BOOM can begin…
Windsor’s road system must be improved. However, I don’t think Windsor and the senior levels of government should be depending on construction to stimulate the economy. What does that say about the province’s economic plans? Will the capital tax be eliminated? We shall see.
Mr. Scherer –
It could help in the interim as we work towards diversifying our economy.
Should infrastructure be relied upon as a sole job creator? Absolutely not.
But for the interim, our Mayor ought to be focusing on creating the environment for enterprise to prosper rather than lawsuits.
It’s not the bridge that has caused all the woes along Huron Line.
What they DID NOT tell you is that moving trucks cause LESS pollution than stop and go. There are way too many stoplights.
Greenlink is NOT the best plan. All it does is divert the traffic westward and someone else will have to deal with it. Greenlink does not cover up to a new crossing nor does it show 401 to Huron Line properly.
Trucks will still use Huron Line and ABC even if an alternate crossing was built.
The stink of it all is if the Mayor had any negotiation skills all of the crap would have been dealt with head on and settled.
All levels want it done, Eddie and the city are the ones being inconsistent and using the citizens as pawns.
Greenlink has nothing to do with the rest of the city. How did you come up with that?
I cautiously concur.
So you’re opposed to contributing to Mayor Francis’ legal practice fund? Ostensibly, Fast Eddie isn’t interested in business law.
Kdduck, not to go off of the topic but do you really think BK needs ANOTHER drive-thru downtown? We don’t need drive-thru’s when we are trying to target pedestrians in a downtown area. Besides, they wouldn’t have been thinking of moving if the king (Eddie, Not BK) wouldn’t have opened his yap and said they wre going to expand the tunnel but back tracke don that idea…or did they? Whatever happened to that? Again withtraffic volumes at 1995 levels why do we need to expand in the first place?
temporary construction all over the place, 5 years minimum. I think that’s plenty of time to whip the things you speak of into shape. As long as the border file remains a secret, and who knows how long this could last, outsider investors may be in limbo. A clear cut decision with all outside questions answered must be forthcoming one way or the other.
We are all together waiting to know. I think they may announce and build, each additional segment so we can’t see or know the finished product until completion…
Another drive through? Where is the other one downtown?
yes the drivethrough. the one that is exempt from the current no drive thru law.
I guess you can call that an inconsistant consistency…
BK was approved Sept.2007 ,now the city has reneged on them.
Typical of the fools to cost the citizens more hardship with their acts of bad faith.
The city wants the property and will do everything possible but be honest ti obtain the site.
Unfortunately BK will let the land sit as the old Royal Bank on Ouellette and Pitt.
Another eyesore for downtown.
Speaking of Estrin and the Niagara area toll road (407) and a reference to Moroun building a bridge in that area and I went looking for more information, this is what I found tonight:
12:10 p.m., February 6, 2008
Permit sought for new US-Canada bridge
ASSOCIATED PRESS
BUFFALO, N.Y. (AP) – A Michigan company is moving ahead with efforts to establish a new U.S.-Canada border crossing in Buffalo, N.Y.
The Ambassador Niagara Signature Bridge Group, a subsidiary of the Detroit International Bridge Co., has applied for a presidential permit to build a new bridge about a mile and a half north of the existing Peace Bridge across the Niagara River.
Ambassador officials have said their privately owned bridge would offer an alternative truck route to the heavily traveled Peace Bridge…..”
Full story here: http://www.crainsdetroit.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080206/REG/952582409/1030
And that got me thinking again. With all the new four hundred roads being built in the GTA area and the Burlington – Niagara-on-the-Lake section stalled by our pal Dave Estrin, if the road is built the area were all the NEW auto factories are Woodstock, Alliston, Brampton et all would actually have a better route through Buffalo to their plants in Kentuck, Tennessee, Indiana and so than going through Windsor and all it stop lights. Once out of Buffalo it is interstate(s) all the way.
And if there is no real production of any automotive kind between here and London that needs to go the Detroit area at all, then the 407 and other new connecting 400 series to U.S. interstates through Buffalo is the answer.
The 407, everything you wanted to know:
http://www.answers.com/topic/highway-407
Keep stalling Eddie, there are atltenatives out there!
“I guess you can call that an inconsistant consistency…” What an ominous thing to say. Your petty comment would’ve had more impact if you correctly spelled inconsistent.
Burger King, despite its many faults, is a publicly-traded company. A PRACTICING LAWYER should be aware that publicly-traded companies allocate millions of dollars specifically for legal challenges.
Thanks for the information, urbanrat. Surely, SOMEONE at city hall knows about this.
indianroad:
There is no logical reason to delay the upgrading of EC Row Expressway and Manning Road and the extension of Lauzon Parkway to the 401 (and Highway 3).
These are projects that are required now. They were identified in WALTS – a regional transportation master plan that began well before the border became an issue. The Mayor keeps harping that the EC Row is at capacity, but we have to wait two, five or more years for ANY improvements, because a few trucks may use the EC Row Expressway.
The whole ‘trucks will use EC Row” argument is a red herring. The City has the power to charge tolls. We could turn those international trucks into a revenue stream that would be used to maintain the EC Row and Lauzon Parkway. But that is beyond the capacity of this Council.
Your solution is to put Windsor through a five-year hell of construction. Wonderful. You do realize that if we start all construction projects at the same time, it will drive up costs for labour, equipment and material.
You also realize that during that time, it will be next to impossible to attract new businesses to the area. Why would they want to put up with indirect highway access on roads clogged with traffic, when they can locate in London, Ingersoll, Woodstock, Brantford, Kitchener, Cambridge or Guelph with direct access to the 401 or 403?
Urbanrat:
One of the new growth areas identified by the Province is the Woodstock-Guelph-Brantford triangle. This also includes Kitchener-Waterloo.
There is already preliminary discussion of a Highway 424 between Cambridge and Brantford. Highway 401 will be widened to three lanes between Woodstock and Kitchener. A new Highway 8 between Kitchener and Guelph and an upgraded Hanlon Expressway in Guelph are being studied. The expansion of GO trains to Kitchener-Waterloo and Brantford are being considered.
The Province will be widening the QEW initially from the 406 to the Garden City Skyway and eventually to Niagara Falls. A mid-peninsula toll road (the one Estrin delayed) is being planned.
So, if you are a business looking to locate in Ontario, where would you be looking? In Windsor, where nothing is happening or in the Greater Golden Horseshoe area? I think that is a no-brainer.
That is what Windsor-Essex is competing against. And the more we delay improvements here, the more business will look in the Greater Golden Horseshoe area. Our loss, their gain. But hey, we will have a pretty 401 extension to carry people to and from the border (below grade so they won’t even see Windsor).
Me…..
The only other drive thru is McFDonalds in the current core.
It is NOT the fact of a drive thru, it is a FACT that the MAyor and council are trying, and succeeding in chasing away legitimate investment in Windsor.
Chris….
The must be referring to the McDonalds on Wyandotte and Goyeau.
They present serious problems to the entrance of the tunnel……
*insert sarcasm here please*
The tunnel plaza is going to eat millions of dollars for decreasing volumes. If the Mayor gets his way and DRIC actually builds a new road to a new border all three crossings will lose substantial revenues. The only winner will be ABC. Count on it.
That was joke Robert. that very few people could comprehend.
While watching city council shoot down poor Mr Wilson I realized that every second word that came out of their mouths was the word consistent, “WE MUST BE CONSISTENT” and in the same week I watched em be inconsistent as hell with the Burger King drive thru. Sure looked like they had ulterior motives.
So your right Robert, Is was a petty attempt at humor.
I think the city is hoping BK gives up and locates somewhere else. BK’s property would make a great parking lot for the Symphony Hall that the tax payers will soon be paying to have built in the armouries building.
Maybe they just changed their mind Indianroad.
And it is wrong to presume they had ulterior motives – surely this can’t be so given their stance on the EC ROW, Lauzon Rd., the DRIC, and the Ambassador Bridge.
I think that the BK in that area was a dumb decision in the first place. I do hope the symphony gets to refurbish the Amouries, it would add great impact to the downtown area.
ME -
Where would you recommend that would guarantee the same level of profitability and avoid expensive expropriation costs?
It’s all well and good to stand opposed – I mean, yes a downtown drive-through is NOT my idea of downtown revitalization – but where? Where-else could they locate that would tap into border traffic flows and downtown patrons going home late at night?
Or would you suggest that the city fork over millions of dollars in both property values and future lost business for the corporation?
I hope too the Symphony gets to refurbish the Armories – but as long as they carry the majority of the cost.
The city could contribute towards it, but this will be a multi-multi million dollar project.
I hope that they have a fundraising plan.
I hope too the Symphony gets to refurbish the Armories – but as long as they carry the majority of the cost.
The city could contribute towards it, but this will be a multi-multi million dollar project.
I hope that they have a fundraising plan.
The WSO’s fund raising plan is your tax dollars. Don’t buy into this bologna.
Worry not Mr. Drakich –
I don’t. But before I pass judgement I want to see the fundraising plan and how they intend to raise the millions of dollars it will require to make the Armouries the Vienna of Windsor.
If the intent is to have it completely taxpayer funded – I would oppose it.
And yes Mark Boscariol, if I do run again, I will state this.
Chris,
The residents of Windsor should be appalled at the act of bad faith on behalf of city hall towards Burger King.
This latest stunt only confirms my family’s suspicions that the city wants the property but only through thievery.
Councillor Valentinis is on record stating “We have plans for the property”.
All of Windsor must show support for BK, if the city gets away with this your property may be next.
city council wants that property for the tunnel. So they broke their own rule and let em have a drive thru at the new location.
It aint no TopHat. and cars all over the place. mixing in with tunnel traffic.
more queing, that’s what we need in that location.
Windsor can’t afford to challenge a publicly-traded company. However, I wouldn’t discount Fast Eddie’s ability to generate more revenue for his legal practice fund.
indianroad BK was grandfathered, thus the allowance of a drive thru.
Chris who says the BK site HAS to be on Goyeau next to the tunnel? Since the city has not furthered their intent expand the tunnel plaza (they should state whether or not they will). How about the area where the old police station was or the myriad of parking lots downtown?
I too agree that the city shouldn’t be footing the majority of the bill on the armouries. I would hope provincial and federal money could help with that since they give gobs of it to concert halls in T.O. along with a viable fundraising plan.
Misinformation seems to be theme of this thread.
There are three drive-thrus in the downtown: McDonalds, Burger King and Tim Hortons.
These existing drive-thrus are not grandfathered in. They exist as legal non-conforming uses.
IndianRoad: Council bent the rules. It’s no different when Cheetah’s was relocated. We zoned Cheetahs’ so they could relocate and then un-zoned them. It’s called accommodating a business and property owner that you are expropriating land from.
If the City was taken to the Ontario Municipal Board for not permitting the drive-thru at the new location, we would likely lose. There would be no change in the number of drive-thrus and the municipality did negotiate a design that satisfied a number of concerns, so it would be difficult for the OMB to agree with no drive-thru.
There will be minimal impact on tunnel traffic. Southbound Goyeau at Park is limited to NEXUS card holders during the AM rush. Goyeau between Park and Riverside is not a very busy road, say compared to Riverside or Wyandotte.
Me: The old police station site is included in the plans for the tunnel plaza expansion. These lands may be used for the plaza or as a revamped parking area.
Further, the new BK is designed for both pedestrians and vehicles. It took some hard negotiations with BK, but administration came up with a plan that works for everybody. We are not adding a new drive-thru, only relocating it. It’s not perfect, but it avoids a lengthy and expensive lawsuit.
Three cheers for Vincent. Thank you Vincent – I did not know how to answer it properly, and you explained it very well. Thanks.
“New Urbanism” is, and I know, Vincent you disagree in some regards, a great ideal – but it omits practical realities and draws an illogical line in the sand, so to speak. If we were building our city from scratch – then maybe. But what took over a hundred years to build, will take just as long if not longer to change because of realities such as the BK proposal.
I never really had a prob with BK, they’ll proly make a ton O money over there.
It’s just that I remember the fuss about drive thru’s and that’s when I started to notice, there is a shitload of drive thru’s in Windsor. Ah! the lite when on, add that up for all cities in Canada with queing drive thru’s and then I cound see how it added up. is the xtra drive thru money worth the xtra pollution? Besides I was pissed that day because they didn’t use the word consistent, once. and you couldn’t help but think some sort of favoritism/tunnel tactics were about. I should no better but that’s what happens when you walk in half way. If I was BK, I want my drive thru…
Thanks Vincent for the information.
What practical reasons Chris? People won’t buy a burger there if they can’t have a drive-thru? Why do other cities not have this issue of drive-thru’s in their downtown but Windsor must have drive-thrus in their’s? That is a bit of a defeatist attitude isn’t it? I have stated for a while that we should have more on street parking but it has fallen on deaf ears.
The more we cater to cars and ignore the impact that the car and subsequently sprawl has on our city the more in debt and the higher the taxes we will pay. That, is a fact. As it stands we can barely afford our infrastructure now but we continue to want to placate the demand for sprawl and the laziness of people in Windsor. Any reason as to why Windsor is one of the fattest cities in Canada? What do we as a city do to combat that statistic? I have offered suggestions. What about you?
For everyone above, it seems that Toronto is asking the same question on the front page of Friday’s Toronto Star paper>
Drive-through ban eyed for city vehicles
http://www.thestar.com/article/303944
Personally I don’t want to see a drive-thru restaurant in the core and that goes for MacDonalds, the new Tim Horton’s at Crawford and Wyandotte which is almost 100% drive in or drive-thru.
Thank you Vincent for writing far more elegantly about the Golden Horsehoe area and the surge of manufacturing that is taking place there and the massive infrastructure that is NOW being built!
Did anyone catch Sandra Pupatello on TVO’s Agenda program last night? She stated that all the infrastructure for the Windsor border area will be done by 2013! But she didn’t elaborate!
Steve Pagin’s interview with Sandra Pupatello, on TVO last night. I can’t give you a direct link to the interview but if you go to the page below:
http://www.tvo.org/cfmx/tvoorg/theagenda/index.cfm?page_id=7&bpn=779129&ts=2008-02-15%2020:00:48.0
and click on the “Watch Video” to the above right of Pupatello’s link, you can see the full interview there. Steve does ask her about Windsor.
Sorry! I should have watch the video link..it isn’t the full interview..my apologies to everyone.
Chris: You hit the nail on the head when it comes to my dislike of planning concepts such as New Urbanism. They ignore practical realities and do draw a line in the sand – ‘this way or no other way’.
On one hand planners are told to think beyond the box, but on the other hand they are told these are the new ‘rules’ and that they should be followed.
ME: Drive-thrus were removed from the zoning districts used in the downtown core and in many of the BIAs a few years back. You cannot open a new fast food restaurant with a drive-through in the core today.
Urbanrat: Crawford and Wyandotte is not in the core. That new Tim Hortons also took quite a bit of negotiation. We are getting better at this and recent changes to the Planning Act (followed by changes to our Official Plan) give the municipality more control over site plan and building design.
Windsor still has a blue collar mentality to it, and it is hard to convince Council that this is the way things should be ;) I wish we had the Vancouver model of planning. Council approves the policies and administration implements the policies by approving or rejecting development applications (with no chance of appeal). But that is the planner bias in me talking.
The mentality in the Greater Golden Horseshoe is completely different. By no means am I saying that the municipalities agree on every issue, but they understand that private investment is key to improving their municipalities and that public investment in infrastructure is a must.
It makes me laugh and cry when I hear King Francis talk about GreenLink as the next best thing for Windsor. Does he not realize that what he is supporting is a below-grade road whose job is to move vehicles as efficiently (re: quickly) as possible from a mystical third crossing to a six-lane limited-access divided highway just outside the City limits?
Yes, Windsor will get more parks or natural land in an area teeming with parks and natural lands, and yes, we will get a short-term shot in the economic arm, but the road itself does nothing for Windsor.
It won’t make it easier to get across this city. It won’t make it easier to go southbound on Provincial at Cabana. It won’t make it easier to get to the 401 in the east end. It won’t improve east-west access to East Riverside.