Tunnel Talk, Bill Marra and After Hours

Tunnel Talk with Gord Henderson

For a columnist who has supported nearly every single border proposal to date, Gord Henderson never ceases to amaze me.

Consider his latest missive against the Province of Ontario, entitled “Doing it Right Down-Under.”

No, it was not an instructional column in mattress aerobics, but an attempt to demonstrate that even in New Zealand, despite prohibitive costs - government there is building a tunnel.

But in typical Gord Henderson fashion, he leaves out some rather important background information.

Henderson writes:

After a prolonged debate, and outrage from the working-class communities to be affected, said Berryman, the central government and local authorities ruled out a surface road and agreed the entire 3.2-kilometre section should be tunnelled at an estimated cost of $1.5 billion in order to preserve neighbourhoods, save up to 500 homes and improve air quality.

Well - not exactly.

The tunnel in question is officially called the Waterview Connection, part of a 48 KM ring-road highway that would connect 3 interstate highways in Auckland, New Zealand. See map here.

But the rationale behind building a tunnel is simple - building a previously non-existent highway or cut and cover tunnel through sensitive parkland and residential neighbourhoods - was not only unpopular with residents - it would cut through the Prime Minister’s riding.

So a bored tunnel 50 meters below the surface was decided upon.

Area in red indicates proposed bored tunnel.   The tunnel would bore 50 meters below environmentally sensitive Oakley Creek and residential areas to connect Highway 16 (top left) with Stoddard Road (Bottom right).

Gord Henderson has erroneously indicated in numerous columns that tunnelling would improve air quality - but apparently, even New Zealander’s don’t buy that argument.  The Government’s Transit Department’s website indicates that a tunnel is the preferred option because it is:

  • The shortest and most direct route
  • Disruption during construction will be limited to the portals and interchanges
  • Fewer properties will be required than for any other option- about 160 in total
  • The tunnel will go under Oakley Creek, thus minimising the environmental effects of the project.

Do Greenlink tunnels achieve these objectives?  Sadly not. 

The purpose for tunneling the Waterview Connection are practical -  to protect a “sensitive” Oakley Creek ecosystem, reduce travel times and reduce the number of homes that would be expropriated in contrast to a new at-grade highway or cut-and-cover tunnel.

Government officials also maintain, as does the DRIC here at home, that the at-grade highway would reduce ”congestion and air pollution caused by stop-start motoring.” 

And contrary to Gord Henderson’s column, the 5 KM tunnel project would cost $2.3 billion - as opposed to Henderson’s $1.5 billion.  To fund such a massive project, the government is investigating a Public-Private Partnership to recover costs through tolls - which could run as high as $10.00 per vehicle.  According to government officials, these tolls are critical to the project - in other words - we don’t have the money to do this ourselves so we need the help of private partners.

One could argue then, fine institute tolls on a Greenlink highway since we’re “doing it right,” but to do so for Greenlink would ultimately bankrupt the new government crossing as motorists and transport would use toll-free roads to cross the border in Sarnia or Fort Erie.

So unlike Greenlink, the objectives of tunneling in Auckland are protecting sensitive eco-systems, reducing travel time and minimizing disruption that a brand spanking new, previously non-existent highway would cause.

Councillor Marra speaks up

I’m wondering if the city’s CAO will now threaten the Mayor with the Integrity Commissioner for attacking a councillor publicly.

Yesterday on CBC News, Mayor Francis criticized Councillor Marra for, oh my goodness, actually suggesting we cut the rhetoric and get down to negotiating with the DRIC, publicly by stating:

Councillor Marra may speak and have his own opinion, he doesn’t represent the city council majority.  He doesn’t represent the direction of council.  These same groups; these same individuals that are saying get on with it, are the same groups and same individuals that suggested that we should get on with it when the EC Row was presented.

Interesting, considering Councillor Francis back in 2002 proposed the motion to use border infrastructure funding to upgrade EC ROW and extend Lauzon Parkway to the 401 as a short and medium term border solution - that was until the DRTP arrived on the scene.

But Councillor Marra is showing signs of life lately by attempting to ensure cooler heads prevail; contrasted with Councillor Lewenza’s conspiracy theories and Councillor Brister’s irresponsible public comments about laying down on Huron Church Road to protest the DRIC.

In all honesty, between Mayor Francis and councillors Postma, Jones, Lewenza and Brister - no amount of feel good advertising will undo the damage these elected representatives are doing to the city profile and reputation through their mixed messaging.

But I am impressed with Councillor Marra.  Compared to Mayor Francis and especially Councillor Brister - Councillor Marra is beginning to sound mayoral.

See the entire clip below.   

After Hours Revisited

When it comes to the after hours club debate, I have to agree with Mayor Francis and some of the delegations that appeared before council.

While I could buy the logic, somewhat, of preventing gun violence in our core, I cannot, for the life of me, buy the reasoning behind needing 4 hours to clean downtown streets.

I can’t imagine it taking more than two hours to clean Pelissier, Chatham, Pitt and Ouellette - and you don’t need to have a mandatory closing time either.  For heaven’s sake how does the City of London, Toronto, Montreal or New York accomplish this apparently insurmountable task in Windsor which could take up to 4 hours because of 200 after-hours club goers? 

It is nothing more than a feeble excuse to shut down what certain downtown merchants and building owners believe to be an undesirable establishment, in my opinion.

There are enough councillor statements on public record to demonstrate what this is really about.

The ludicrous part about a 4 a.m. closing time is that it will change absolutely nothing.  People will still congregrate outside of bars or 24-hour eating establishments.  People will still drink after-hours in the backrooms of certain establishments.  And unfortunately, people will still fight and people may still get shot - and as of late, you don’t have to be downtown at night to experience gun battles.

And yesterday on CBC News Councillor Postma (see clip below) demonstrated how flip-flopping on the reasons for supporting such a mandatory closing time, could land the city in legal hot water.  

According to Claudio Martini:

The grounds Martini cited for his challenge include that: the bylaw is discriminatory to his client; the bylaw is inappropriate since there was no factual evidence how a mandatory closing time is needed for a cleanup period; and that the sole goal is to put after-hours clubs out of business.

“First they pinned the bylaw to violence (downtown) and that didn’t succeed,” Martini said. “Then (they) said it was for cleanup. But there is no other reason than to put after-hours clubs out of business.”

Even Mr. Horwitz turned this from preventing acts of violence, when he stated back in January:

But Larry Horwitz, president of the downtown BIA, had been leading the fight to get the mandatory 3 a.m. closing, saying if nothing changes further acts of violence are more likely.

He spoke of viewing video of surveillance cameras and often seeing 30 to 50 people milling around outside the Box Office with very little authority and too often seeing fights…

…”We can’t risk the loss of other young people’s lives. Council has an obligation to make this city safe and a place where we can be proud. If they don’t do this now, will I have to come to council in another month or two after a violent incident has happened again? Whose responsibility is it at that point?”

To now needing to clean city streets:

“We will do our part and move forward with the clean team and make downtown clean and secure for downtown daytime business,” Horwitz said. “The goal was 3 a.m. closing, but I’m a realist and will make things work.”

I’m not sure closing down clubs at 4 a.m. will resolve one single thing and agree with Mayor Francis that passing this bylaw could create more problems than simply enforcing existing laws and bylaws.

7 Responses to “Tunnel Talk, Bill Marra and After Hours”

  1. kdduck Says:

    I did a little reasearch on Auckland also. They have done some great things down there but the difference is that they are doing something, not just thinking about it. The p[roblems associated with urnban sprawl and freight movement are not just a problem in Essex and the surrounding area.
    I wonder if Auckland would consider a delegation to come up here and teach Windsor leadership a little about urban planning?
    Well ok maybe not. That makes sense.
    We have Eddie. We have Gordo singing his praises.
    What else does Windsor need?
    From secrecy to conspiracy Windsor city hall makes a cheap novel look good.

  2. 1urbanrat Says:

    I just spent a quiet two hours reading all the posts of what I have come to believe is the true reporting of events in this city by our civic minded bloggers, their care and concern in presenting the facts, the hours of lonely and insightful research, the care in framing their daily words, to present the facts, the contradictions, the spewing of anal cavity beatitudes by our elected officials and the acolytes in their entourages. They have strapped on a big “W” for Windsor, but also for Worrisome of the secret meetings or no meetings, Weary of all the somewhat accurate/inaccurate presentation of mouthings from all elected officials, the Wherewithal of lossely spending the public’s money With no accountability and transparency, the Whatever attitude of not listening to public input except by contrived means or What they only Want to hear!

    What they haven’t been is gagged!

    Official record newspapers not presenting the Whole story or the facts but selected quotes so that they can Wroote for the home team. Chris here presents his angle, KDDUCK on his blog today gives us a larger picture of what Auckland is doing, along with their tunnel issue, Ed Arditti grinds out the facts that aren’t written about and connects the dots.

    Edgar must be wrunning out of socks and duct tape in his office, in trying to gag everyone at city hall including our elected officials. We elected them to work for us to represent our wards to the city, We didn’t elect them to be spinelessly gagged by an out of control autocrat! But a big thanks to Bill Marra for showing us that there is some cracks at city council and that he refuses to eat Edgar’s socks! What is wrong with conciliation, working together, wringing out a great compromise for our citizens, being fiscally responsible to the people of this province and country, whose money it is we are spending, we should be practicing fiscal responsibility and due diligence in this matter.

    On the thought of bar closings, let them stay open but we know that rats and other vermin avoid light at all costs. So flood our streets and alleys with powerful flood lights pointing downwards with video cameras at all angles, mounted behind them, the vermin will scamper away fast enough. Noise sensitive flood lights and cameras will also keep them moving. Ever see a rat in daylight, I have at the corner of Park and Ouellette and the only thing that rat had on its mind was get somewhere else in a hurry!

  3. 1urbanrat Says:

    PS: I heard that Edgar has asked Councilors Gignac and Postma for their used panty hose! Why? Because he is making off like a bandit around here and he wants himself and a majority of councilors to act the part by wearing panty hose on their heads and faces as a mask.

  4. cityajoke Says:

    The reason for the 4:00AM closing it two fold.

    1) it will take time to clean up the streets. Though it may not take 4 hours to do it. It might if the downtown needs to use their gum removal machine. Also, some of this equipment must be used when people are not around as to not get injured.
    Chris, since you try to avoid litigious scenarios I would have thought you would have applauded such moves.
    This will also force the Windsor police to do their jobs and make sure either people leave (not loiter about and thus cut down on noise and possible fights) or arrest them as they leave the parking lots drunk (could have saved one life a few weeks back).

    2) it introduces a calming time so that business owners can get ready to open their shops (window cleaning, sweeping…) without wasting time fixing broken windows or picking up the mess left behind from the night before.

    This calming effect also gives the residents a chance to have a few hours of quiet time while they sleep. It also freshens up the downtown area for the next day for the residents AND visitors. As a person who has had their dog injured more than twice from all of the broken glass downtown it will be refreshing to walk downtown in the morning without the mess.

    (Comment deleted)

    Chris, if we are to not govern because we are afraid of lawsuits then where do we stand as a city? Do you not think that residens do not or should not have a say in their own neighbourhoods? Just how much money can be made after hours? Even the owners fo the Boom Boom Room agreed this was a good compromise and they have the largest stake in after hours entertainment. Afteralll they have been great corporate citizens downtown by engaging the residents. (Comment deleted - libelous).

    Maybe we should get hordes of seniors to visit (comment deleted) on end on Friday and Saturday nights and just buy a few cokes. I know a lot of youth won’t visit establishments that their grandparents might be at.

    As for other cities. They dont’ have the issues that we do downtown with numerous bars in a small district. If in the case of T.O. or Montreal they do, their downtowns are also large enough that people wanting an urban lifestyle can live in different parts of the downtown without the issue of bars. We don’t have that luxury in Windsor but it would be help if the urban village gets built according to the CIP (but then again St. Clair College is meddling about again. But that is a story for another day).

  5. cityajoke Says:

    Forgot to add. I like the idea of brighter lights but I also think Windsor shouldhave MANNED survellience cameras downtown just like they do in the U.K.

  6. chrisschnurr Says:

    Hey Cityajoke -

    Explain to me then, how you will get people to leave the core?

    Larry Horwitcz is on public record as saying people mill about around the bar in question.

    So, therefore, the bar in question closes at 4 a.m., people mill about for an hour - the problems are still there.

    It resolves absolutely nothing. I’m frankly surprised that you, a downtown resident would applaud a complete waste of time bylaw. I want effective and fair legislation, not political pandering, which this clearly is.

    Please explain how closing at 4 a.m. rather than 5 a.m. will result in no broken windows or no broken glass, or how the 1 hour difference will have any sort of impact on the ability of residents being able to sleep?

    The Boom Boom Room says its a fair compromise, because they close at 4 a.m. already. It has virtually no impact on them.

    With regards to your anti-college stance - if you read the Urban Village documents - you need an anchor of some kind. I have yet to hear you state what would work.

    In a city with a high vacancy rate throwing up some houses is not going to be too successful.

    A medical college is exactly the kind of thing needed downtown - and I applaud the concept.

    The problems with the core go way beyond simply sweeping the streets and a 1 hour difference in a closing time. It’s a combination of several factors including, but not limited to demographics, sprawl, and income disparities. It will change but it will take upwards of 15 years with a concerted effort.

  7. chrisschnurr Says:

    Anonymous Comment Received:

    Dear Mr. Soundoff

    I agree: enough silliness about the downtown. Enough visions seen with rear-view mirrors. Petula Clark has faded and gone.

    Don’t get me wrong. Windsor is my home. I grew up here, shopped all the historic downtown stores. My grandmother worked at Smiths. I learned to swim at the YMCA on Friday nights then grabbed a plate of fries at the Chicken Court next door.

    But anyone under 35 years old has no idea where Smiths and the Chicken Court were. Or Lawblaws, Dominion, A&P, Marios, the Radio Tavern, Lee’s Imperial House, Metropolitan Store, Kresgie’s or Woolworths. Nor do they care. Nor should they.

    Downtown is no longer important. For the past few decades it has been an entertainment centre. And not a first class one like New Orleans or Chicago or Las Vegas.

    If it is going to be important again it needs a bold vision. This is the home of CKLW, one of the most powerful radio stations in North America, which tore down the broadcasting colour barrier in the 60s and created a whole new genre in music radio. Yes, Petula Clark no longer sings her hit “Downtown.” But she did. She did right here. Like any popular singer in the 60s, she needed to come to here to thank and make friends with the people at CKLW. There was a time when Windsor meant music.

    Perhaps the vision for downtown can grow out of that past. Perhaps the old Vanity Theatre, the empty Armories and perhaps a couple of other places along Ouellette and Pelissier could turn into venues for live music. Perhaps a couple of venues could offer musical theatre.

    I don’t have the answer. All I know is that in this day and age, downtown needs to be a world-class something, or continue to be a fading memory of what it was. Think about it while you listen to Petula on the oldies station.

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