Some interesting tidbits of information in the Windsor online edition.
1. The mayor would reveal little of the financial or engineering findings contained in the feasibility study, which has been conducted over the last six months by a committee led by former MPP Dave Cooke.
(More secrecy – until the Mayor is ready to ensure his six council members are on-side).
2. The 40-foot-deep basin would be shadowed by a condo and retail development.
(A certain downtown recipient of free land will certainly cash in).
3. Also included is conversion of a three-block stretch of either Pitt Street or Chatham Street into an eastwest 20-foot-deep canal filled with municipal water.
(Great! The hidden costs: approx. 10 meters wide by 300 meters long by 7 meters deep = 21,000 cubic meters. This equals 21,000,000 litres of municipal water to fill. WUC is smiling from ear to ear. Conserve water in Windsor? Why?)
4. Cooke said Thursday he was not at liberty to talk about the findings, since the report belonged to the mayor.
A business case, engineering conclusions and five-page letter of observations were turned over to the mayor, he said.
“I can’t talk about contents of the report,” Cooke said. “My way of handling this is to turn it in and then it belongs to the person who commissions the report. If (Francis) wants us to make comments, we will at a later time.
(Speak when only allowed to speak. And who commissioned the report? I thought it was the private sector driving it?
Councillor Hatfield was obviously mistaken when he said:
”He [Hatfield] doesn’t feel it is unusual for a private sector proponent to undertake and pay for a feasibility study and then present findings to council — including on the marina-canal proposal.”)
5. Council, if it approves the plan, will also likely discuss putting aside some funding for the canal project before it completes its budget deliberations over the next month, Francis said.
(Yup – city hall employees facing layoff ought to feel really good about this one.)
6. The mandate we had was to take a narrow look at the whole thing and determine what’s feasible to do. Anything is feasible – if you can send people to the moon, obviously you can do this.”
But cost will be the determining factor, Cooke said.
“That’s something the mayor may want to talk about when he releases the report,” he said.
(I couldn’t agree more. Except the Mayor isn’t talking about the finances just yet.)
7. The project is doable financially, but will need support from the provincial and federal government, Horwitz said.
(Yes – that’s right. Elevate expectations and then should the Provincial or Federal governments decide not to fund this, the Mayor, council and the Windsor Star will have another opportunity to slam our cabinet ministers. Then again, the Mayor is crafty. If a waterpark is part of the plan it can be honestly said the infrastructure dollars will create long-term jobs. By the way, how’s Windsor Water World doing?)
Will this be a repeat of Greenlink all over again? Postcard campaigns, bus ads, police car stickers reading “Support the Dunkin Canal.”)
UPDATE 6:30 p.m.:
A-News reports the canal project will come in at $50-million plus additional land acquisition costs. However, the marina will no longer be located at the Caron Avenue location – but further east. A potential family waterpark is also being considered.
Mayor Eddie Francis states funding for the project could come from Federal and Provincial infrastructure dollars. Downtown BIA chair, Larry Horwitz is asking the community to lobby federal and provincial governments to “come to the table.”
So while technically feasible the question of finances remains outstanding.
I’ll have more to write on this tomorrow – but using infrastructure dollars intended for roads, sewers and watermains for this project is just mind-boggling considering the City of Windsor has a reported $700-million infrastructure deficit!
The A-News Report
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Written earlier today:
Now there’s a shock.
AM800 reports:
The proposed canal and marina project in downtown Windsor is feasible and “do-able.” Mayor Eddie Francis says a draft report has been completed by the project’s working group. He’s pleased with the pricing estimates and says there’s nothing “engineering-wise” to stop the project.
Not bad – it only took about 30 weeks instead of the 10 – even though it is only a “draft.”
But still no word on the “business feasibility study” and nearly two months overdue from the deadline the Mayor gave on Face-to-Face in December:
The 10-week feasibility study that began in August 2008 has not been totally completed and will be presented to council in February 2009 – some 24 weeks later, according to Mayor Francis on Face-to-Face.
Interestingly, Gord Henderson already wrote about this on December 20, 2008:
Cooke said the study indicates a marina in the Caron Avenue cut might be prohibitively expensive. “It’s feasible. It can be done. But would it be cost-effective?” He explained that an extremely deep excavation would be needed to accommodate boats and that would entail either steep, concrete-reinforced walls along the cut or gradual slopes that would gobble up significant amounts of adjacent land.
And what a coincidence of timing for a rehash of old news too!
Greenlink is set to take the stage again April 4th in New York, in what will most definitely be a banner weekend in terms of press coverage for the Mayor:
According to my New York sources, the city’s Greenlink concept will receive the Diamond Award from the American Council of Engineering Companies, New York Chapter, at a gala dinner April 4, 2009 at the Waldorf Astoria in New York City.
Strangely enough in my blog stats today there were about a dozen search requests for the above quoted article, “Googling for Diamonds”. Someone was desperately looking for what I had written.
This is clearly all gearing up for a europhoric moment in Saturday’s Star and to pad the Mayor’s State of the City address.
Brighton Beach may be sold for about $30-million – ironically just enough money to kick-start the Mayor’s promised economic development fund he talked about last year:
I will also be asking City Council to make a historic, one-time $30 million dollar investment from existing sources to kick-start this fund.
And how much do you want to bet that “phase one” of the canal proposal will come in at about that price because of course it will be done in phases.
Sure, we already knew it was feasible from an engineering standpoint. Pretty much anything is feasible if you’re willing to spend the bucks.
But it is finacially feasible? Note the Mayor’s very careful description, “…there’s nothing “engineering-wise” to stop the project.”
I suppose it all rests upon how much infrastructure funding the city will receive from the Federal Government and the Province and when and how much the city will receive for Brighton Beach.
Whether or not that is good use of scarce dollars is debatable and a topic for another blog.
Until then, we’ll just have to accept yet another “draft” report.
In english that means the 10-week feasibility study will need some more time.
Sandra’s Weltanschauung
While our local political officials talk canals and feasibility studies, our cabinet minister, Sandra Pupatello has been filling the pages of German media this week promoting Ontario as the place to invest – ironically ignored by the very paper that claims to cover the issues our national media will not.
The Sudwestpresse reports that Sandra Pupatello says now is the right time to invest in “green” technologies in Ontario promoting its close proximity to over 158 million people and promoted the Province’s “725 Millionen Euro Firmen” to help create high-tech “green” jobs.
Pupatello also talked up the green automotive potential of Ontario and highlighted incentives available to manufacturers of such vehiches.
In Automobilwoche, despite all the poor economic news coming out the US and Canada, Pupatello highlighted the success stories of international companies who have located in Ontario from Japan as well as the Big 3.
She boasted of Ontario’s position in North America in terms of automobile production and the huge potential that offers and again pumped up the 725-million Euro incentive fund as well as the 310-million Euro Advanced
Manufacturing Investment Strategy Fund.
And finally in VDI nachrichten, Pupatello boasted that Ontario’s green companies open up markets to Germany. Here she promoted Ontario’s decision to shut down coal-fired power plants by 2014 and spoke about the opportunities this presents to Germany to invest in Ontario.
Why all this focus on Germany?
Many innovative German companies have advanced to become international technological leaders, providing key components for the wind energy, hydropower, solar energy, geothermic and biomass sectors. “Renewables made in Germany” are considered amongst the world leaders and are therefore being used all over the world. The Federal Ministry of Economics is supporting this dynamic industry with a multitude of instruments and wishes to use these pages to provide information on innovative technologies and successful “made in Germany” projects, as well as events and ways in which companies can participate in the foreign trade fairs of the Renewable Energy Export Initiative.
So while the Mayor and the Windsor Star will surely squeeze out all the great PR they can out of the canal and Greenlink, our MPP, the ones our members of council and the Star Editorial Board love to bash, is out there slogging away at bringing new green manufacturing to Ontario – and hopefully Windsor.
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The canal would be 40 feet deep basin from street level as I understand.
Then the canal itself would have to have depth for the water.
Sounds like a big dig project.
If a gondola company can get the same deal as the Spits did on the new arena, I say go for it!(this sarcasm really hurt)
At least with the tunnel there was a slight chance to make money.
Let’s be very, very, realistic here. The roads and sewers are crumbling in Windsor faster than they can fix them. Eddie drafted up a master plan to operate the city without the union workers.
All this grandioso planning and study is defeating the real infrastructure that is currently being ignored. Another year of plant closings is looming ahead.
Eddie just doesn’t have any experience in lean times as his actions are clear indications of not knowing the real picture out here.
Curious, I wonder what the levy fee would be for the new canal?
Retail? We can’t even get retail downtown as it is? Why not try to fix what we have before we try to get more? In other words fix your backyard (and clean it) before you expand it.
My gosh! There is a community already there why not build upon and have the next best thing to Cabbagetown in T.O. right here in Windsor?
I love the canal idea. I think it will attract boaters and tourists from around North America, and the world even. It is definitely worth the investment, as the city will be sure to recoup that investment with the higher property taxes on adjacent properties and the development it will spur downtown in future years. For example by building the canal, Mr. Fahri will be able to build his condominium development – probably several hundred units worth quite a bit of money – what a boon to local real estate! I think this is a good thing for our region as a whole, and it would probably be a great thing if the County contributed to it as well. It is visionary and necessary at the same time. It will be yet another piece in our urban village redevelopment of the downtown core, along with the new bus terminal. Kudos to our mayor and brave brave city councilors for proposing this daring initiative at this difficult time.
You’re right!! I absolutely whole heartedily agree.
Upon sober second thought, this is a wonderful opportunity that opens up many amazing possibilities for the City of Windsor – and some we least expect too!
The bus terminal could even be expanded to accomodate water taxi’s. It will see Mr. Docherty’s land dug out with a new marina constructed there obliterating that urban blight.
But I say, don’t stop the canal at three blocks – run it all the way up Chatham Street to the foot of the casino and westward to the University campus to create connectivity. The thousands of St. Clair College students will finally have a place to relax, or rollerblade.
Then we could extend the Detroit people mover to loop through Downtown Windsor with a further stop added to the bus terminal.
This $50-million plus investment in our core will created at least 500 short term jobs but will score huge with the rapid increase in property taxes for downtown merchants and residents – up to 400% according to Gord Henderson’s column.
The creative class will flock to the city’s core with cafe’s, upscale restaurants and high end boutiques flooding University Avenue.
It’s a win win for everyone.
For those residents who can’t afford to live in the area any longer – this in turn will jump start residential real estate sales in Olde Sandwich Towne as well as around the University of Windsor ending the pesky problem of student housing.
Haha, yes I can see it now!
In Today’s News: The United States went to Def Con 4 when a Canadian fishing boat drifted to wrong side of Crystal Bay.
The offending lone fisherman was apprehended and after extensive questioning, grilling, and water-boarding was eventually judged by U.S. Dept of Homeland Stupidity officials to be “no terrorist threat” and sent back to Canada.
The best thing any government can do is nothing. Especially when they are in doubt, and so otherwise clueless.
Blackhelicopters, I am not sure if you are beign facetious but there aren’t too many people gong to be driving a boat down a 20ft wide canal that is only 3 blocks long.
For those that are comparig tis to Riverwalk in San Antonio, Chris has already shown how long that canal is (about 7-8 kms) and it has 100 year old buildings that are refurbished that sit alongside it. Compare that to Windsor where we don’t keep any heritage buildings and tell me how this is feasible.
Also, if people won’t buy condos on a mile-wide river with a truly world class view of a great skyline, what makes you think they will buy one a 3 block 20ft wide canal?
It seems to me that the mayor needs to give a little payback to someone who may or may not have supported him in the past. (Look to see who own’s what properties in the area and you tell me?). Either that or he needs a legacy project like every other egotistical fool.
By the way, how are Widnsorites enhjoying their flooding basements after these rainy days? Like me, I am sure they quite enjoy mopping up sewage and then having to pay huge WUC/Enwin bills; lest my electricity gets cut off.
NAYSAYER! :)
Actually that was Bricktown. San Antonio literally took decades to develop and the “canal” was created for flood control purposes by filling in part of the river.
As well, it is a city of 1.8 million people. Here is a neat map I found of it – it is quite breathtaking.
http://dreams.world.coocan.jp/photo/zis/usa/SanAntonio/Riverwalk/SanAntonio_map_A_Alamo_Plaza_&_River_Walk.jpg
The way in which it was designed allows for boat travel – which is cool.
We’ll have a 300 meter long splash pool in comparison. An artificial re-creation. Why it needs to be 20 feet deep is beyond me. It will serve no practical purpose other than to stare at.
I still maintain, developing a 1000 meter stretch of the riverfront to create a “natural” riverwalk type area would be more appropriate – a scaledowned version of Pier 39 in SanFran.
I don’t buy this crap of bringing the riverfront in – as it does no such thing. Build a nice reflective pond with a pedestrian square with a museum, science centre, imax theater around it with some low-rise residential to the north and west.
CAJ – regarding the basement flooding – hey, this is a city, not a hotel. You bought a house that you knew was in an area prone to basement flooding, so that’s your problem! Not the city’s! The rest of us taxpayers have no obligation to help people with their own dumb mistakes.
I think it is more appropriate to take taxpayer money and invest it in great ideas, like the canal, that are going to generate millions of dollars in future city revenues through increased downtown property taxes, development fees for the areas surrounding the canal, tourism spending etc. And then that money should be turned around and funneled into new city ventures that will reinvent our city in a manner that’s in keeping with the vision for our area our leaders have spoken at length about.
You want to fix your sewers? There is a mechanism in the City of Windsor to initiate a petition for local road improvements, and if you get the majority of your neighbours to sign on, the City will foot half the bill, and the other half will go on your property taxes, spread out over the next 10 years. That’s the way to get infrastructure improvements in Windsor – stop whining that the city should foot the whole bill!
blackhelicoptersarecoming:
Your rant about local improvement petitions is incorrect. The City pays the costs upfront and then recoups the total costs from abutting property owners either when the work is completed or over a period of 10 years. There is no cost-sharing; the City does not “foot half the bill”.
King Francis said the canal is infrastructure. Perhaps the downtown property owners should initiate a local improvement petition instead of whining that the city should foot the whole bill.
“The rest of us taxpayers have no obligation to help people with their own dumb mistakes. ”
Dumb mistakes like buying property downtown?
Your comments are increasingly becoming irrational. Must be the air pollution.
Nothing is as it appears.
In Eddie I trust.
VC – that’s even better then… you want your road improved? You pay for it! Beautiful! That frees up the City further from worthless obligations to rebuild roads/sewers/watermains, that will do nothing to attract residents and businesses, and instead use that money to focus on big-ticket items, the kind that will make a splash and bring attention to Windsor and put it in the spotlight again.
In some ways, you have to let things hit rock bottom. Let some of these neighbourhoods go to rot, the people will move out, and then a developer (or the City even) can come in and assemble the land in big blocks and properly redevelop the brownfield areas as part of an urban renaissance. Just like the City of Detroit with Jefferson Village, a spectacular success.
In Eddie we trust.